Unless we rise above it. Which has more reach? >Very few people care about what you are talking about. That includes PnL stuff but equally applies to...well, all the other stuff. It's not illegal. "Turns out that Discord doesn't like people using the terms "Retard" and "Autist" in a disparaging way.". Reddit is not part of the “real world”. OP is saying that if there's enough casualties, maybe it will be the catalyst for a movement. And he was right. To be clear, market manipulation is very vague and very broad, and from what I've read the SEC is only going after you if there was fraud or lying involved. > Why wouldn't someone be allowed to lend out a security they own to someone else? This is the first time netizens capitalize on hedge fund short favorites and it has been surprisingly easy to cause an absolute catastrophy in the order of billion losses for them. You seem to be hinting at the idea that naked short selling should be illegal, which it has been for over a decade. Can you post a link to some comparison of arbitrariness of ex-UK legal systems and other systems? And there will be more laws made targeting individuals engaging in this sort of activity (basically coordinating with groups of people). (impossible to imagine Reddit doing something like this). If a business is widely considered a viable short target, it usually just happens through regular market mechanics. If your site is overrun with porn, then sure, each user could just block those millions of posters with your open standard... but every new user still sees it, and decides "this service isn't built for me" and never comes back. And banning name calling in your private forum to promote substantiative discussion, that's probably a good idea. But then the onus is on Reddit to slacken these restrictions; WSB threads get 100K responses, which is the amount of engagement many social media can only dream of. Explaining to people less experienced than myself how a short squeeze works? Those brokerage accounts loan the shares out and collect some interest %%% while waiting. It is not market manipulation for short interest to rise above 100%. Can you explain how it's possible that 99% of shares were held by owners that were willing to loan their share? To be more precise, people have tried to ban generalizations of group of people, banning the usage of gender where specifying gender is unnecessary, and of course banning the attacking people for who they were rather than attacking the argument. Market transactions don't move the price, its people doing them do. https://money.cnn.com/2018/03/01/investing/herbalife-bill-ac... [1]theoretically, in practise I'll predict it's about to be Septembered into oblivion, Because the subreddit is famous for just losing money and lots of people just not knowing what they're doing. If you're thinking of a specific incident, and introducing it as a discussion point, you need to actually mention it. Moot. Why do we have them in the physical world? I'm 100% with you. It's not discord themselves who enact the harsh moderation (which quite often includes bots banning some words, with punishments from alerting a mod to banning you for a bit), but rather server "owners" who risk platforming if discord deems them unable to police themselves. If your making a bet, then it's about risks. Takes a few seconds to find and set that. But 2020 is coming to an end. If a bunch or teenagers come into my coffee shop and start loudly calling each autists and retards I'm going to kick them out. ". Welcome to Drisking! Intent is very important and this keeps being lost on the layman crowd. You can if you want, but if you don't believe corporations should have a right to their property, tossing "they have a right to ban you from speaking" in someone's face is a bit disingenuous. But when that male manager asks for a date and is refused, the action takes on an entirely different tone. The best and most "free" discussions I experienced were all happening in a space where everybody was after finding some sort of insight. About the only thing that you can do with the government today is renew your car's registration (if you're lucky). This time /r/wsb is the 'enemy'. the Herbalife short squeeze. This is trickier than it might sound, because you are in some sense restricting the rights and capabilities of some subset of the shares. Sure that is possible. This is a reasonable response, if someone doesn't like you, go somewhere where they do like you. (I did crazy things when I was learning, hell, I sometimes do crazy things now). I disagree, it is censorship. A lot of the time it's just distasteful, kinda sexist etc and the "platform" owners simply don't like them and want to keep them from growing because (I think) they think that there is a real fear that societal opinion might swing their way. Like, what happened?” I asked. Be specific. >This delicate balance was at times destoyed by a single person that started attacking people aggresively for who they were rather than attacking the argument they made in a way that makes them understand. But we don't, so we get what we choose. It's that easy. Moderation serves many purposes, but only one of them is to save your delicate eyes from seeing things you don't want to see. It does feel like a watershed moment regarding hedge funds. I think the most sensible and straightforward thing is further regulation of hedge funds and large financial institutions. We'll have to wait and see a bit, but the huge pop in Gamestock was likely more the result of funds covering shorts, not retail investors continuing to buy at these prices. Internet addicts clamor for government reports. I know, hedge funds bad, and they do this crap all the time. This is exactly what was being pushed by WSB. ... but I say fuck it, I am going to jerk off to every single one of these athletic whores anyway. I don't know where you even come up with these outdated ideas. However the missing key here is that a lot of times, these are genuine "political movements" before they've cooled & solidified, and exist solely as mis-directed or nebulous emotion, hence the "hateful" and distasteful content. For everyone willing to talk about "key leverage points in the social graph" it's weird how they won't call those people leaders. Begging is not cool. You're talking about the hedge funds, right? This is about as exciting as a mob of 10000 people rushing a restaurant at the same time to 'save it' and then forgetting it the next day. > If the new regs enshrine the current reality in law then maybe there'll be more hope for fundamental reform. And also, counterproductive. The age can vary from baby who wears the diapers or a young teenage girl. Most pro-censorship voices motte-and-bailey the latter by conflating it with the former. If you believe it's not wrong, it shouldn't be either regulated nor educated against. So that the "invisible hand of the market" may decide who is wisest (as demonstrated when we look at all the instances where this happened)? A few bad things happen. Then they are lacking empathy and being short-sighted. If you get banned from these services you miss out on accessing a wide share of services, not related to social media. An internet community is "somebody" with a selfish interest that might go against the interest of the wider public. The discussion of bugs, exploits, and cheats is allowed so long as it does not promote its use. It would only be a fair parable if your coffee shop was the only coffeshop in the entire city or that it exists like 1-3 others but you all talk with eachother on the phone and collectively agree to deny those people service. So it's simple to discover and execute, and there is a financial incentive, and it's not against the law. That they can is not being argued, that they did it now is the issue. It doesn't work. It’s quite restricted so you need to do all sorts of hacky stuff to get live info out of it. "Lemmy is similar to sites like Reddit, Lobste.rs, Raddle, or Hacker News: you subscribe to forums you're interested in, post links and discussions, then vote, and comment on them. Agree. They're specifically buying/selling short dated out of the money options in order to move the price. My guess is that majority of users there are traders and employees of such funds, simply using yet another talking space. South Park tried to make this argument over a decade ago and they were dead wrong. The other is the right to speak, advocate and protest freely. What is a "fair impression," it's all up to owners of the paper to decide on selling price, nobody else can. Considerations for an investment bank is quite different from the considerations for a game retailer. Daddy Dom takes the role of the caregiver, the one who dominates and disciplines the little.. Little Girl takes the role of the child-like, sweet girl and regresses in the age. Every voice is heard. And that sort of thing is very unusual Then they raise money, get a great board, hire industry experts, and go... whatever.. compete with Steam, turn the physical stores into e-sports venues, pivot to game development, whatever. I've been on the right side of two short squeezes last year purely by accident, and I'd certainly like to repeat the experience if I could. You can replace "real" with physical. 'Pumping and dumping stocks' is not value creating it's actually quite destructive. No, I was broadly commenting on why education cannot trump regulation. You can't just pretend everyone in the world falls into either a "for" or "against" censorship group. It's so easy that even semiprofessionals can understand exactly which stock are hedge fund favorites. Or they had ordinary risk managers whose ordinary schemes got attention from an internet forum with just enough ability to counter one of them. Are Terms of Service above criticism now? Reddit can kick people out if they don’t like the behaviour. Yes this most recent operation was a smashing success, in terms of convincing shallow thinkers that it's wrong for subjects to bother their rulers. What is defined in the law as legal, or not defined as illegal is what is legal. That's not the definition of censorship. In this case it's not clear that industry wants anything changed. VW in particular was shorted much less but something like 90+% of the shares were accounted for between Porsche and Germany to reach the accounted for shares + shorts position of over 100%. Unequivocally. > and everyone else is rather glad to see these people chased off of platforms. 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